Comments on: Choker Chains Dogs Training Choke Chains For Sale http://thethreedogblog.com/choker-chains-are-not-cruel.html THE DOG BLOG EVERYONE LOVES Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:31:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: the three dog blogger http://thethreedogblog.com/choker-chains-are-not-cruel.html#comment-1186 the three dog blogger Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:34:14 +0000 http://thethreedogblog.com/?p=409#comment-1186 Lindsay, great points. For heavy Dogs they work fantastically well. They LEARN not to pull, which is what it is all about. Lindsay, great points. For heavy Dogs they work fantastically well. They LEARN not to pull, which is what it is all about.

]]> By: Things A Dog Owner Should Know | The Three Dog Blog http://thethreedogblog.com/choker-chains-are-not-cruel.html#comment-1183 Things A Dog Owner Should Know | The Three Dog Blog Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:57:29 +0000 http://thethreedogblog.com/?p=409#comment-1183 [...] about how to clean Dogs teeth, the complexities and controversy surrounding Alpha Rolling and choker chain Dog training. But people also like to have a bit of fun.  Without doubt the most popular post so far on this [...] [...] about how to clean Dogs teeth, the complexities and controversy surrounding Alpha Rolling and choker chain Dog training. But people also like to have a bit of fun.  Without doubt the most popular post so far on this [...]

]]> By: Lindsay http://thethreedogblog.com/choker-chains-are-not-cruel.html#comment-1176 Lindsay Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:38:29 +0000 http://thethreedogblog.com/?p=409#comment-1176 Here's my post on pinch collars: http://www.thatmutt.com/2008/02/26/pinch-collars-are-great/ <abbr><em>Lindsay’s last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Thatmutt/~3/524696807/">Dogs need more exercise</a></abbr></em> Here’s my post on pinch collars:

http://www.thatmutt.com/2008/02/26/pinch-collars-are-great/

Lindsay’s last blog post..Dogs need more exercise

]]> By: Lindsay http://thethreedogblog.com/choker-chains-are-not-cruel.html#comment-1175 Lindsay Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:36:59 +0000 http://thethreedogblog.com/?p=409#comment-1175 Hey those are all good points. Anyone who is against the use of choke collars either doesn't know how to use them or they have just never had a dog that pulls really bad. For dogs that pull extra hard, a pinch collar or prong collar will do the trick. I've never tried one of those anti-pull harnesses, but Gentle Leaders and Haltis work well. The problem is they only prevent puling, they don't teach the dog anything. <abbr><em>Lindsay’s last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Thatmutt/~3/524696807/">Dogs need more exercise</a></abbr></em> Hey those are all good points. Anyone who is against the use of choke collars either doesn’t know how to use them or they have just never had a dog that pulls really bad. For dogs that pull extra hard, a pinch collar or prong collar will do the trick. I’ve never tried one of those anti-pull harnesses, but Gentle Leaders and Haltis work well. The problem is they only prevent puling, they don’t teach the dog anything.

Lindsay’s last blog post..Dogs need more exercise

]]> By: Nine Ways You Can Kill A Dog | The Three Dog Blog http://thethreedogblog.com/choker-chains-are-not-cruel.html#comment-466 Nine Ways You Can Kill A Dog | The Three Dog Blog Tue, 20 Jan 2009 14:56:47 +0000 http://thethreedogblog.com/?p=409#comment-466 [...] it or someone else killed.  I wrote a post on the controversial subject of choker chains called choker chains are not cruel and I believe they are one of the best ways to quickly train your Dog to heel and to stop untoward [...] [...] it or someone else killed.  I wrote a post on the controversial subject of choker chains called choker chains are not cruel and I believe they are one of the best ways to quickly train your Dog to heel and to stop untoward [...]

]]> By: the three dog blogger http://thethreedogblog.com/choker-chains-are-not-cruel.html#comment-294 the three dog blogger Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:59:11 +0000 http://thethreedogblog.com/?p=409#comment-294 Margaret, Many thanks for your very well written and constructive opinion. We each have our own opinions on many matters and a very well presented argument such as yours is food for thought for us all. I look forward to many more constructive comments from you in the future. Margaret,

Many thanks for your very well written and constructive opinion.

We each have our own opinions on many matters and a very well presented argument such as yours is food for thought for us all.

I look forward to many more constructive comments from you in the future.

]]> By: Margaret http://thethreedogblog.com/choker-chains-are-not-cruel.html#comment-293 Margaret Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:11:28 +0000 http://thethreedogblog.com/?p=409#comment-293 Unfortunately, the vast majority of people who put a choke chain on their dog do not have the slightest idea how to apply it correctly. Many have the wrong size on the dog where the chain has too much lead and a quick snap is impossible. Pinch collars are also very effective tools despite their Machiavellian appearance. Of course the most humane training is clicker training -- also referred to as positive reinforcement training. While the choke chain and pinch collar are both forms of pt, they are not the established method of pt. Positive reinforcement training involves a clear mark for desired behavior and ignoring undesired behavior as the instinct of the animal is to do those things that get it what it wants -- food, attention, play. I could not train my birds using a collar of any kind, but using Clicker training or Positive Reinforcement training, I have birds that allow me to trim nails, do tricks and are excellent companions despite the fact that each and every one of them being rescues mostly due to biting issues. Yes, choker chains and pinch collars are good tools but only in the right hands. When in the wrong hands or in the hands of people who have no idea how to properly use them, they are abusive. ê¿ê <abbr><em>Margaret’s last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/eyespi20/toZr/~3/502136556/">Recession Isn’t Holding Some Back</a></abbr></em> Unfortunately, the vast majority of people who put a choke chain on their dog do not have the slightest idea how to apply it correctly. Many have the wrong size on the dog where the chain has too much lead and a quick snap is impossible.

Pinch collars are also very effective tools despite their Machiavellian appearance.

Of course the most humane training is clicker training — also referred to as positive reinforcement training. While the choke chain and pinch collar are both forms of pt, they are not the established method of pt. Positive reinforcement training involves a clear mark for desired behavior and ignoring undesired behavior as the instinct of the animal is to do those things that get it what it wants — food, attention, play.

I could not train my birds using a collar of any kind, but using Clicker training or Positive Reinforcement training, I have birds that allow me to trim nails, do tricks and are excellent companions despite the fact that each and every one of them being rescues mostly due to biting issues.

Yes, choker chains and pinch collars are good tools but only in the right hands. When in the wrong hands or in the hands of people who have no idea how to properly use them, they are abusive.

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Margaret’s last blog post..Recession Isn’t Holding Some Back

]]> By: the three dog blogger http://thethreedogblog.com/choker-chains-are-not-cruel.html#comment-284 the three dog blogger Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:18:33 +0000 http://thethreedogblog.com/?p=409#comment-284 Hi castocreations, I am sorry it is not working out for you. Hopefully it will in time. I hope the training next week helps. I think as with lots of Dog training repetition is the key. I also find that as short a lead as possible helps immensely. This stops the Dog putting much weight in to the "forward lunge"! Hi castocreations,

I am sorry it is not working out for you. Hopefully it will in time. I hope the training next week helps.

I think as with lots of Dog training repetition is the key. I also find that as short a lead as possible helps immensely. This stops the Dog putting much weight in to the “forward lunge”!

]]> By: castocreations http://thethreedogblog.com/choker-chains-are-not-cruel.html#comment-275 castocreations Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:02:41 +0000 http://thethreedogblog.com/?p=409#comment-275 We started using a choke collar on Timber in the last month or so. I don't think we're using it right though ... he still pull really hard and ends up taking up all the slack. We'll quick snap and turn the other way but he just runs forward. *sigh* We have some special training scheduled with one of our daycare ladies (who is also a trainer) next week. I so badly want to be able to walk him with Trooper and not have to take each one separately. I definitely do NOT think they are cruel. What is cruel is letting a dog go crazy, get away, and get hit by a car or get lost. We tried two different gentle leaders and they did NOT work for this boy. We rescued him from an abusive situation and he did not know what a leash even was! He threw himself on the ground our first walk out. He's come a long way. :) We started using a choke collar on Timber in the last month or so. I don’t think we’re using it right though … he still pull really hard and ends up taking up all the slack. We’ll quick snap and turn the other way but he just runs forward. *sigh* We have some special training scheduled with one of our daycare ladies (who is also a trainer) next week. I so badly want to be able to walk him with Trooper and not have to take each one separately.

I definitely do NOT think they are cruel. What is cruel is letting a dog go crazy, get away, and get hit by a car or get lost.

We tried two different gentle leaders and they did NOT work for this boy. We rescued him from an abusive situation and he did not know what a leash even was! He threw himself on the ground our first walk out.

He’s come a long way. :)

]]> By: the three dog blogger http://thethreedogblog.com/choker-chains-are-not-cruel.html#comment-270 the three dog blogger Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:04:39 +0000 http://thethreedogblog.com/?p=409#comment-270 Hi Tamara, Thanks for your comment. They work really well don't they? I am just so surprised people believe they are cruel. Used properly they are very effective. Hope to see you commenting here again. Hi Tamara,

Thanks for your comment. They work really well don’t they? I am just so surprised people believe they are cruel. Used properly they are very effective.

Hope to see you commenting here again.

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